“Democrats in the last year showed support for Ukraine but failed to provide all the tools for us to win the war, including weapons or funds.” What a cop-out! Without the support of the Republicans the WH was limited in what it could send. It sent what it could in the form of dollars and hardware. I can understand the frustration of the Ukrainian people. It had been a long hard war with a one hand tied behind their back. But this article is an insult to the brave people who have fought Putin and his murderous gang of thugs. It is a surrender written by someone who sees the benefits from a business perspective of dealing with the Russians. Another oligarch in the making. Putin must be defeated and held accountable for his war crimes. Russians must be held accountable for their support of a war criminal. The EU must fill in the vacuum left by the US withdrawing from world engagement. The waving of a white flag by a the behind the front lines ‘observer’ is disgusting and a betrayal. Put a bounty on Putin’s head if the ‘business community’ wants to do something constructive. Slava Ukraini.
Wayne, what you are saying conflicts with the reality we are seeing here in Ukraine. Only 10% of the aid package voted on by Congress has made it to Ukraine. Biden has restricted the Ukrainians from using US weapons in Russia. Sullivan traveled to Ukraine last winter to tell Zelensky not to hit Russian refineries because it would be bad for his campaign. He has slow-walked weapons for years. Biden has been a disaster.
Andrew is a Ukrainian so I don't want to say he is wrong, but I am a former chief of staff in the US Congress who has been in Ukraine since day 5 of the war. One of the few people who has been to the Ukrainian front and to the floor of the House of Representatives. I have been to the front a dozen times since this summer. This piece is not reflective of my experience, nor do I think it is helpful in any way to the Ukrainian cause.
In short, my experience, backed up by public opinoin data, is that Ukrainians are very tired. They want the war to end. But when you ask them if they are willing give away Kherson or Zaporizhia, they immediately say no.
Interesting discussion. The only big thing that I think that is not being mentioned, is that Russia will most certainly come back to attack again even if Ukraine agrees to give up those lands. They’ll come in 2-3 years.
Again, people are not comfortable discussing the rael situation in Ukraine. One thing is what people on the web from different parts of the world are talking about the WAR in Ukraine, and the other is what Ukrainians who fight the war, or the Ukraine whose homes are bombed daily, are talking about and what the current situation is. I speak to the people at the frontlines and those affected by the war weekly and understand their perception better than anyone else who sees the war on TV or gets the info from CNN, NBS, or Bloomberg. I talk to hundreds of people every month and can tell you the real mood of those here in Ukraine. It does not mean Ukrainians do not want to win the war, but It means the West has to stop just Blah Blah and really help the war-torn country to beat the enemy.
You are obviously welcome to disagree with Pryma. But let's cool it with the name calling, please, it is uncalled for and leads nowhere. Pryma stuck out his neck raising the issue, let's debate it in a respectful, adult manner.
That' good, I don't use my title either. Because to me it seems that a person who has to stress his/her credentials is in doubt that his/her arguments are not convincing enough. And a good day to you.
Thank you, yet please clarify name calling. Is calling someone a puppet inappropriate or is it not used in your vocabulary in reference to Putin? No problem I unsubcribed anyway. Apparently Ukrainians can't express themselves to two GRUMMY OLD MEN, how descriptive. Especially if they are a woman, I have had this type of misogyny from male Ukrainian's before, nothing new.
Yes, 'Ruzzian' is name calling. Obviously. As I said in my comment, by all means, feel free to disagree, but do it in a respectful manner. (I will ignore your comment about misogyny as I had no idea about your gender, and did never mention or imply it.)
Apparently you DIDN'T see the Z's on the tanks that rolled into Ukraine. How they called a specific regiment as Nazi's. Change your title to Russia. That's who you are truly supporting. This is propaganda and not discussion. What I said is accurate your interpretation is the issue. No problem I don't subscribe to a propaganda site. Plus your tone tells me all I need to know. Total misogyny. Bye bye tool.
This sounds like a Kremlin consultant! From the defeatest camp..."let's surrender, we can't win anyway." Good thing these fellow travelers were not around for the American Revolution...no one thought the Colonialists would win, but they did - with a little help from their friends - the French.
Good thing the defeatests weren't around in Viet Nam during their 50 year struggle for independence, fighting the mighty American empire. But, they won too...and so have many others.
The US and NATO proposition is that if you - Ukraine - want to fight for your freedom, we will help you.
For those in the defeatest (pro Russian) camp, your position is a disgrace to all the Ukrainian men and women who have bled and died for freedom.
If Ukraine doesn't want to fight, they never should have started the struggle to begin with. Could of just surrendered in December 21.
Fact: the US and Europe (except during the time the Republicans in the US House refused to provide aide) have provided Ukraine with plenty to wage a war. We can debate the wisdom of this strategy or that - especially with armchair cowboys - but this comes down to a simple question
Does Ukraine want to fight for it's freedom, or not?
If yes, then let's moblize all the man and woman power walking the streets of Kyiv hiding behind the heros at the front line.
Or, shut up forever about how much Ukraine wants independence, western integration, and freedom from Russia.
This sounds like a lose/lose situation. Without a great unified effort by an allied force of nations, as CNN in WW II, there’s no hope for Ukraine to defeat Russia. Whatever Trump does, and is agreed upon, is going to be how it is. The will to discipline Russia, by the ineffective UN, has never been there, and that’s what makes b it only a matter of who has the best staying power, and that’s Russia.
Nobody writes fiction like a self interested businessman. His "options" might benefit him but I doubt his countrymen would agree. They might lynch him later.....
You are obviously welcome to disagree with Pryma. But let's cool it a bit with lynching nonsense, please, it is uncalled for and leads nowhere. Pryma stuck out his neck raising the issue, let's debate it in a respectful, adult manner.
“Democrats in the last year showed support for Ukraine but failed to provide all the tools for us to win the war, including weapons or funds.” What a cop-out! Without the support of the Republicans the WH was limited in what it could send. It sent what it could in the form of dollars and hardware. I can understand the frustration of the Ukrainian people. It had been a long hard war with a one hand tied behind their back. But this article is an insult to the brave people who have fought Putin and his murderous gang of thugs. It is a surrender written by someone who sees the benefits from a business perspective of dealing with the Russians. Another oligarch in the making. Putin must be defeated and held accountable for his war crimes. Russians must be held accountable for their support of a war criminal. The EU must fill in the vacuum left by the US withdrawing from world engagement. The waving of a white flag by a the behind the front lines ‘observer’ is disgusting and a betrayal. Put a bounty on Putin’s head if the ‘business community’ wants to do something constructive. Slava Ukraini.
Wayne, what you are saying conflicts with the reality we are seeing here in Ukraine. Only 10% of the aid package voted on by Congress has made it to Ukraine. Biden has restricted the Ukrainians from using US weapons in Russia. Sullivan traveled to Ukraine last winter to tell Zelensky not to hit Russian refineries because it would be bad for his campaign. He has slow-walked weapons for years. Biden has been a disaster.
Biden has been a disaster indeed.
Andrew is a Ukrainian so I don't want to say he is wrong, but I am a former chief of staff in the US Congress who has been in Ukraine since day 5 of the war. One of the few people who has been to the Ukrainian front and to the floor of the House of Representatives. I have been to the front a dozen times since this summer. This piece is not reflective of my experience, nor do I think it is helpful in any way to the Ukrainian cause.
In short, my experience, backed up by public opinoin data, is that Ukrainians are very tired. They want the war to end. But when you ask them if they are willing give away Kherson or Zaporizhia, they immediately say no.
I would encourage folks who want a different perspective to read my piece on the topic: https://stevenmoore.substack.com/p/what-type-of-peace-do-ukrainians
Saying Biden didn’t want Ukraine to win is simply ridiculous. trump will do whatever Putin tells him to do.
Interesting discussion. The only big thing that I think that is not being mentioned, is that Russia will most certainly come back to attack again even if Ukraine agrees to give up those lands. They’ll come in 2-3 years.
Again, people are not comfortable discussing the rael situation in Ukraine. One thing is what people on the web from different parts of the world are talking about the WAR in Ukraine, and the other is what Ukrainians who fight the war, or the Ukraine whose homes are bombed daily, are talking about and what the current situation is. I speak to the people at the frontlines and those affected by the war weekly and understand their perception better than anyone else who sees the war on TV or gets the info from CNN, NBS, or Bloomberg. I talk to hundreds of people every month and can tell you the real mood of those here in Ukraine. It does not mean Ukrainians do not want to win the war, but It means the West has to stop just Blah Blah and really help the war-torn country to beat the enemy.
Trump sides with Ruzzia any Ukrainian would understand that. Biden helped Ukraine Andrew is a Ruzzian puppet.
You are obviously welcome to disagree with Pryma. But let's cool it with the name calling, please, it is uncalled for and leads nowhere. Pryma stuck out his neck raising the issue, let's debate it in a respectful, adult manner.
Oh and my title is Dr. I don't feel the need to boast about it like some. Good day.
That' good, I don't use my title either. Because to me it seems that a person who has to stress his/her credentials is in doubt that his/her arguments are not convincing enough. And a good day to you.
Oh how admirable. a back handed comment meant to act like you are unbiased. No misogyny there. Har har.
Thank you, yet please clarify name calling. Is calling someone a puppet inappropriate or is it not used in your vocabulary in reference to Putin? No problem I unsubcribed anyway. Apparently Ukrainians can't express themselves to two GRUMMY OLD MEN, how descriptive. Especially if they are a woman, I have had this type of misogyny from male Ukrainian's before, nothing new.
Yes, 'Ruzzian' is name calling. Obviously. As I said in my comment, by all means, feel free to disagree, but do it in a respectful manner. (I will ignore your comment about misogyny as I had no idea about your gender, and did never mention or imply it.)
Apparently you DIDN'T see the Z's on the tanks that rolled into Ukraine. How they called a specific regiment as Nazi's. Change your title to Russia. That's who you are truly supporting. This is propaganda and not discussion. What I said is accurate your interpretation is the issue. No problem I don't subscribe to a propaganda site. Plus your tone tells me all I need to know. Total misogyny. Bye bye tool.
This sounds like a Kremlin consultant! From the defeatest camp..."let's surrender, we can't win anyway." Good thing these fellow travelers were not around for the American Revolution...no one thought the Colonialists would win, but they did - with a little help from their friends - the French.
Good thing the defeatests weren't around in Viet Nam during their 50 year struggle for independence, fighting the mighty American empire. But, they won too...and so have many others.
The US and NATO proposition is that if you - Ukraine - want to fight for your freedom, we will help you.
For those in the defeatest (pro Russian) camp, your position is a disgrace to all the Ukrainian men and women who have bled and died for freedom.
If Ukraine doesn't want to fight, they never should have started the struggle to begin with. Could of just surrendered in December 21.
Fact: the US and Europe (except during the time the Republicans in the US House refused to provide aide) have provided Ukraine with plenty to wage a war. We can debate the wisdom of this strategy or that - especially with armchair cowboys - but this comes down to a simple question
Does Ukraine want to fight for it's freedom, or not?
If yes, then let's moblize all the man and woman power walking the streets of Kyiv hiding behind the heros at the front line.
Or, shut up forever about how much Ukraine wants independence, western integration, and freedom from Russia.
I can understand both points of view. It’s more likely than not that Trump will do whatever Putin wants him to do.
Zelenskyy doesn’t seem ready throw in the towel. In fact, I think he’s getting feistier.
https://x.com/united24media/status/1854849886467846212?s=61&
This sounds like a lose/lose situation. Without a great unified effort by an allied force of nations, as CNN in WW II, there’s no hope for Ukraine to defeat Russia. Whatever Trump does, and is agreed upon, is going to be how it is. The will to discipline Russia, by the ineffective UN, has never been there, and that’s what makes b it only a matter of who has the best staying power, and that’s Russia.
Trump can’t do anything until he’s sworn in to office
on January 20, 2025.
Nobody writes fiction like a self interested businessman. His "options" might benefit him but I doubt his countrymen would agree. They might lynch him later.....
You are obviously welcome to disagree with Pryma. But let's cool it a bit with lynching nonsense, please, it is uncalled for and leads nowhere. Pryma stuck out his neck raising the issue, let's debate it in a respectful, adult manner.